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May152012

Chinese domain offers - beware!

DateTuesday, May 15, 2012 at 10:32PM AuthorAlan W

Year of the Dog?

I’d hoped that this scam had been nailed once and for all but it’s back again in 2012. I last saw it five years ago when I advised a legal firm about this domain name con-trick. Their client had been approached by a Chinese company purporting to be suppliers of domain names.

The way it works is that a Chinese outfit contacts a UK company with a distinctive name, and tries to flog them a raft of Asian domain names. Their covering story is that someone else [a phony company] recently tried to register [the following domain names] but as you appear to be the genuine holder of intellectual property rights, you’re being contacted first for permission [in reality, to see if we can bounce you into buying them].

This also used to happen in the UK in the early years of the web. Domain name scammers based in Britain would flog a domain for an absolute fortune, and people fell for it.

Typically, the domains being offered have Chinese, Hong Kong, Indian or Taiwanese TLDs (top-level domains – eg  .in or .cn  for India and China respectively). For pretty much every business I can think of, owning a domain with these TLDs will be of no value whatsoever. It’s unsettling stuff for someone who doesn’t know the score though and the temptation is to cover yourself and buy them just to be sure.

One contact forwarded an email that he’d received recently from “NaSnet Company” in China.

(It's very urgent, Please transfer this email to your CEO or appropriate person, Thanks) 
                
Dear CEO/Principal,
 
This is Deray Qian---Senior Consultant of domain name registration and solution center in China. have something to confirm with you. We formally received an application on May 9, 2012, one company which self-styled "Diocesis & Holdings Co.,Ltd" were applying to register "s******r" as Network Brand and following domain names:                
s******r.asia
s******r.cn
s******r.co.in
s******r.com.cn
s******r.com.hk
s******r.com.tw
s******r.hk
s******r.in
s******r.net.cn
s******r.org.cn
s******r.tw
After our initial checking, we found that the brand name applied for registration are as same as  your company's name and brand, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we will finish the registration at once. If your company has no relationships with that company nor do not authorized,please reply to us within 7 workdays,if we can't get any information from yours over 7 workdays, we will unconditionally approve the application submitted by "Diocesis & Holdings Co.,Ltd" .
Thanks for your cooperation.    
          
Best Regards,

Senior Consultant Manager

Does this pass the sniff test? I looked at their Chinese site http://www.nscns.org.cn/ [now defunct] to see what gives. Much of the text is images (try the Hosting Plans pages), text is badly written and the Add to Cart buttons don’t work. Note the credibility-enhancing logos: what have Mercedes, Omron, Panasonic, Canon or Sharp got to do with it? The last Tech Support announcement is dated July 2009 and their Search box results always lead to a Contact Us page. Much information is missing, but overall it gives a passing impression that it’s an authentic site to do with hosting, email plans, DIY websites.

However, most of the content doesn’t ‘work’, they try to rush you into deciding and finally, I found no information on “Diocesis & Holdings Co., Ltd.” anyway. I noticed one or two product similarities with the (authentic) web hosting firm Dotster whose name is also found in the 'Announcement' in their 'Support KB'.

Emails on the same lines have also been received from an outfit calling themselves "Shanghai  SPS Network Technology Co., Ltd" who were allegedly instructed to register a client's trade mark in domain names ending in "cn; hk; mobi; net.cn; org.cn and tw".

Needless to say, on checking a WHOIS database a month later, the proposed domains remained unregistered.

As always, you have to be vigilant out there and my advice is to trust your instincts when confronted by fishy-looking emails like these.

(I updated this on 22nd May.)

 

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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POSTING!
I too have received a litany of emails from this Nicholas Lee in China reporting that his client wants to buy domains almost identical to mine and if I don't act within two days my rights to my names and intellectual property will cease to exist, blah blah blah. The emails started with the one below and every couple days they become more and more urgent..... And when you answer this first one telling them to cease, as you own trademarks, etc. they then contact you and tell you that those registrations and trademarks are no good in the rest of the world but you can buy the 20 or 30 domains "FROM THEM" so "their client" won't be able to buy them... and save yourself the aggravation of someone else having domains so close to yours (with different .xxx), etc.
THANKS SO MUCH FOR POSTING!!!!


Dear CEO/Principal,
This is Nicholas Lee---Senior Consultant of domain name registration and solution center in China. Here I have something to confirm with you. We formally received an application on June 12,2014. that a company claimed "RANLBACE LTD" were applying to register "my companies domain" as their Network Brand and some "my companies domain" Asian countries top-level domain names(in/hk/tw/etc) and China (CN) domain names through our firm.
Now we are handling this registration, and after our initial checking, we found the name were similar to your company's, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays, so that we could handle this issue better. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for "RANLBACE LTD". Looking forward to your prompt reply.
(This is a very important case, so please transfer this email to your CEO or Principal. Thanks a lot.)
Best Regards,
Nicholas Lee
Senior Consultant Manager

June 19, 2014 at 7:45 | Unregistered CommenterMJ CEO - American Company

Yep...I got one last night. I'm based in Hong Kong

Here it is:

Dear CEO/Principal,

This is Nicholas Lee---Senior Consultant of domain name registration and solution center in China. Here I have something to confirm with you. We formally received an application on June 18,2014. that a company claimed "RANLBACE LTD" were applying to register "dxxxxxxx" as their Network Brand and some "dxxxxxxx" Asian countries top-level domain names(in/hk/tw/etc) and China (CN) domain names through our firm.

Now we are handling this registration, and after our initial checking, we found the name were similar to your company's, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays, so that we could handle this issue better. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for "RANLBACE LTD". Looking forward to your prompt reply.

(This is a very important case, so please transfer this email to your CEO or Principal. Thanks a lot.)

Best Regards,

Nicholas Lee

Senior Consultant Manager

June 20, 2014 at 4:59 | Unregistered CommenterBrad

This one also has a phony follow-up Email from Mr. Jim's 'interested customer'

Date 08/06/2014

Dear Manager,

(If you are not the person who is in charge of this, please forward this to your CEO,Thanks)
This email is from China domain name registration center, which mainly deal with the domain name registration and dispute internationally in China.
We received an application from Huahong Ltd on June 3, 2014. They want to register " k******s " as their Internet Keyword and " k******s .cn "、" k******s .com.cn " 、" k******s .net.cn "、" k******s .org.cn " domain names etc.., they are in China domain names. But after checking it, we find "k******s " conflicts with your company. In order to deal with this matter better, so we send you email and confirm whether this company is your distributor or business partner in China or not?
Best Regards,

Jim

General Manager
Shanghai Office (Head Office)
3002, Nanhai Building, No. 854 Nandan Road,
Xuhui District, Shanghai 200070, China
Tel: +86 216191 8696
Mobile: +86 1870199 4951
Fax: +86 216191 8697

Web: ygregistry.cn


_________________________________________________________________

Date 13/06/2014

Dear Sirs,

Our company based in chinese office, our company has submitted the "k******s " as CN(.cn/.com.cn/.net.cn/.org.cn) domain name and Internet Keyword, we are waiting for Mr. Jim's approval. We think this name is very important for our products in Chinese market. Even though Mr. Jim advises us to change another name, we will persist in this name.


Best regards

Jiang zhihai

jiang.zhihai006@outlook.com

June 20, 2014 at 15:36 | Unregistered CommenterShawn

Just got their email on 06/2014! Now their website changed to www.nums.org.cn, probably because the old website was uncovered as a scam! The email is as below!

About the "XXXXX". We are the department of Asian Domain Registration Service in China. Here I have something to confirm with you. We formally received an application on Jun 18, 2014 that a company claimed "Centdenrry Company" were applying to register "XXXX" as their Net Brand and some "XXXXX" Asian countries top-level domain names through our firm.

Now we are handling this registration, and after our initial checking, we found the name were similar to your company's, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays, so that we could handle this issue better. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for "Centdenrry Company" Looking forward to your prompt reply.

(It's very urgent, so please transfer this email to your CEO or appropriate person. Thanks a lot.)

Andy Dong

Senior Consultant Manager

Please don't even think about it, just press" delete" !

June 21, 2014 at 16:59 | Unregistered Commentermonica

We just got exact same email from mr.Eric Ma, Senior Consultant Manager of Num Service.
Thanks guys for this post.
This is what we've got:

As soon as receiving the application of "Elisten Company", we checked and found "xxxxx" is your company's using name and brand. We
are concerned that your brand name might be affected negatively by their applications, this is why we informed you. following Network Brand and domain names are applied by "Elisten Company":
Net Brand: xxxxx
Domain Names:
xxxxx.asia
xxxxx.cn
xxxxx.cn.com
xxxxx.co.in
xxxxx.com.cn
xxxxx.com.hk
xxxxx.com.tw
xxxxx.hk
xxxxx.in
xxxxx.net.cn
xxxxx.org.cn
xxxxx.tw
xxxxx.中国
You know that the domain names registration is open in the world, "Elisten Company" also has the right to apply for the available domain names. you only have the
preferential rights to register them.

At present, we haven't passed their application, we need your opinion. If your company consider these names of importance to your company's business or interest, I
suggest that your company register these names first so as to avoid confusion or speculation. Of course, If you don't want to protect your intellectual property
rights, then my suggestion is your company give up these names so that we can finish registering for them as per our duty. Please give me your company's decision as
soon as possible in order to handle this issue better.
have a nice day.

Best Regards,

Eric Ma
Senior Consultant Manager
Tel: +86-553-4228271 || Fax: +86-553-4228028
Adress:No.8-3 New Time Business Street, Wuhu City, China

July 4, 2014 at 10:21 | Unregistered CommenterPaulina

Yes, but what they once you answer the email? or what is this scam made for?

We just received this.

Dear CEO/Principal,
This is Nicholas Lee---Senior Consultant of domain name registration and solution center in China. Here I have something to confirm with you. We formally received an application on July 24,2014. that a company claimed "RAINLANE LTD" were applying to register "<<domainname>>" as their Network Brand and some "<<domainname>>" Asian countries top-level domain names(in/hk/tw/etc) and China (CN) domain names through our firm.
Now we are handling this registration, and after our initial checking, we found the name were similar to your company's, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays, so that we could handle this issue better. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for "RAINLANE LTD". Looking forward to your prompt reply.
(This is a very important case, so please transfer this email to your CEO or Principal. Thanks a lot.)
Best Regards,
Nicholas Lee
Senior Consultant Manager

July 26, 2014 at 17:33 | Unregistered CommenterNess

@Ness

No need to worry if you have replied to them, just ignore any further emails and they will go away.

They try to sell over-inflated domains and useless, non-existent services (e.g. 'Internet keywords') for long periods. Some other posters have described how this could total $ 000's, a total waste of money. Just ignore them and they will go away.

HTH.

July 28, 2014 at 12:35 | Registered CommenterAlan W

You saved me hundreds of dollars! I got the Huahong Ltd. one a few days ago, and the follow up email today. I looked up Jhiang Zihai Huahong Ltd on Google and found your site!
If I had some dollar to spend, would've bought the domain name from some other registrar to piss these people off lol

July 30, 2014 at 9:35 | Unregistered CommenterAdam

Your posting is much appreciated, thank you .........

Please Note: New name, new email & new postal address
Andy Zhang [mailto:a.z@nowco.com.cn]

As soon as receiving the application of "RAINLANE LTD", we checked and found your company's using name and brand. We are concerned that your brand name might be affected negatively by their applications, this is why we informed you. following Network Brand and domain names are applied by "RAINLANE LTD":

Network Brand ...........
Domain Names:
.asia
.cn
.cn.com
.com.cn
.com.hk
.com.tw
.hk
.in
.co.in
.net.cn
.org.cn
.tw
.中国"You know that the domain names registration is open in the world, "RAINLANE LTD" also has the right to apply for the available domain names. you only have the preferential rights to register them.

At present, we haven't passed their application, we need your opinion. If your company consider these names of importance to your company's business or interest, I suggest that your company register these names first so as to avoid confusion or speculation. Of course, If you don't want to protect your intellectual property rights, then my suggestion is your company give up these names so that we can finish registering for them as per our duty. Please give me your company's decision as soon as possible in order to handle this issue better.
have a nice day.

Best Regards,

Andy Zhang
Senior Consultant Manager
Tel: +86-553-4228271 || Fax: +86-553-4228028
Adress:No.8-3 New Time Business Street, Wuhu City, China

July 31, 2014 at 12:01 | Unregistered CommenterPC

Thanks for posting this. I received an email recently from the contact below. You confirmed my suspicion.

Neil Dong
Senior Consultant Manager
New Time Business Street, Wuhu City, China

August 1, 2014 at 14:57 | Unregistered Commentershedon

Another one we received in July 2014

Dear Manager,

(If you are not the person who is in charge of this, please forward this to your CEO,Thanks)

This email is from China domain name registration center, which mainly deal with the domain name registration in China. We received an application from Huahong Ltd on July 21, 2014. They want to register " [*****] " as their Internet Keyword and " [*****].cn "、" [*****].com.cn " 、" [*****].net.cn "、" [*****].org.cn " domain names. But after checking it, we find " [*****] " conflicts with your company. In order to deal with this matter better, so we send you email and confirm whether this company is your business partner in China or not?

Best Regards,

Jim
General Manager
Shanghai Office (Head Office)
3002, Nanhai Building, No. 854 Nandan Road,
Xuhui District, Shanghai 200070, China
Tel: +86 216191 8696
Mobile: +86 1870199 4951
Fax: +86 216191 8697

Web: cnygregistry.net

August 2, 2014 at 10:09 | Unregistered CommenterM I

I just got the same type of email from "Jim". Thanks for this page. I felt something was fishy and a search of the proposed company brought me here. Thanks

August 2, 2014 at 18:07 | Unregistered CommenterJustin

Yep. it's back again. This time it's Andy Dong. Thanks for this helpful article. It looked like spam and smelled like spam, it's just nice having confirmation.

August 6, 2014 at 4:23 | Unregistered CommenterRachael

Thank you for posting about this! I too have recently been getting emails from Nicholas Lee (www.numre.org). I got suspicious when the name of the company looking to buy my domain changed from RAINDACE LTD to RAINLANE LTD and I couldn't find anything about either company. One search lead me here. It's nice to have confirmation that this is just spam :)

August 6, 2014 at 23:26 | Unregistered CommenterKiana

Now aiming at Russian business too.

Subject: Chinese domain names
Message: -------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re:"********"
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 02:45:00 +0800
From: "Jim Wang" <jim.wang@yg-registry.org>
To: <info@:"********.ru

Dear Manager,

(If you are not the person who is in charge of this, please forward this to your CEO,Thanks)

This email is from China domain name registration center, which mainly
deal with the domain name registration and dispute internationally in
China.
We received an application from Huayuan Ltd on July 28, 2014. They want
to register " :"********"" as their Internet Keyword and "
:"********".cn "、" :"********".com.cn " 、"
:"********".net.cn "、" :"********".org.cn " domain
names etc.., they are in China domain names. But after checking it, we
find " :"********"" conflicts with your company. In order to
deal with this matter better, so we send you email and confirm whether
this company is your distributor or business partner in China or not?

Best Regards,

Jim
General Manager
Shanghai Office (Head Office)
3002, Nanhai Building, No. 854 Nandan Road,
Xuhui District, Shanghai 200070, China
Tel: +86 216191 8696
Mobile: +86 1870199 4951
Fax: +86 216191 8697
Web: www.yg-registry.org

August 7, 2014 at 12:14 | Registered CommenterAlan W

Today I received this, as a follow-up from mail from Jim. Mercifully googled before taking any decision. I replied back with just this link :)
----------------
Dear Sirs,

Our company based in chinese office, our company has submitted the "my domain " as CN(.cn/.com.cn/.net.cn/.org.cn) domain name and Internet Keyword, we are waiting for Mr. Jim's approval. We think this name is very important for our products in Chinese market. Even though Mr. Jim advises us to change another name, we will persist in this name.

Best regards
Jiang zhihai

August 10, 2014 at 2:49 | Unregistered CommenterV V Subramaniam

Dear Sir/Madam,

About the "doortoasia-consulting". We are the department of Asian Domain Registration Service in China. Here I have something to confirm with you. We formally received an application on October 13th, 2014 that a company claimed "Cridany Company" were applying to register "doortoasia-consulting" as their Net Brand and some "doortoasia-consulting" Asian countries top-level domain names through our firm.

Now we are handling this registration, and after our initial checking, we found the name were similar to your company's, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays, so that we could handle this issue better. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for "Cridany Company" Looking forward to your prompt reply.

(It's very urgent, so please transfer this email to your CEO or appropriate person. Thanks a lot.)

Best Regards,

John Feng
Senior Adviser Manager

October 17, 2014 at 7:18 | Unregistered Commenterana olivares

Oh my God, another disturbing way to compromise Internet. See what I got and tell me if I should do something or ignore this correspondence completely.

From >John Feng [jfeng@nregister.net.cn]

Dear Sir/Madam,

About the "eco*********". We are the department of Asian Domain Registration Service in China. Here I have something to confirm with you. We formally received an application on October 20th, 2014 that a company claimed "Cridany Company" were applying to register "eco*********" as their Net Brand and some "eco*********" Asian countries top-level domain names through our firm.

Now we are handling this registration, and after our initial checking, we found the name were similar to your company's, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays, so that we could handle this issue better. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for "Cridany Company" Looking forward to your prompt reply.

(It's very urgent, so please transfer this email to your CEO or appropriate person. Thanks a lot.)

Best Regards,

John Feng
Senior Adviser Manager

October 20, 2014 at 14:43 | Unregistered CommenterAleksandar

Just ignore it, they'll go away.

October 20, 2014 at 15:35 | Registered CommenterAlan W

BE WARNED!! Just received this so they are still at it in 2015!!!!!!!!!Thanks for your posts!!

Dear CEO/Principal,
This is Nicholas Lee---Senior Consultant of domain name registration and solution center in China. Here I have something to confirm with you. We formally received an application on January 23,2015. that a company claimed "ECODOMICS COMPANY" were applying to register "**********" as their Network Brand and some "**********" Asian countries top-level domain names(in/hk/tw/etc) and China (CN) domain names through our firm.
Now we are handling this registration, and after our initial checking, we found the name were similar to your company's, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays, so that we could handle this issue better. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for "ECODOMICS COMPANY". Looking forward to your prompt reply.
(This is a very important case, so please transfer this email to your CEO or Principal. Thanks a lot.)
Best Regards,
Nicholas Lee
Senior Consultant Manager

January 24, 2015 at 9:22 | Unregistered CommenterDave

Hi

I got one of these emails too. I was initially angry but after doing a Google search, I feel safe in the knowledge it's a scam. I wouldn't have bought the domains anyway, so their scammed failed.

'Dear CEO,
(If you are not the person who is in charge of this, please forward this to your CEO, because this is urgent, Thanks)
We are a Network Service Company which is the domain name registration center in Shanghai, China.
We received an application from Huayi Ltd on June 29, 2015. They want to register " hair***** " as their Internet Keyword and " hair***** .cn "、" hair***** .com.cn " 、" hair***** .net.cn "、" hair***** .org.cn " 、" hair***** .asia " domain names etc.., they are in China and Asia domain names. But after checking it, we find " hair***** " conflicts with your company. In order to deal with this matter better, so we send you email and confirm whether this company is your distributor or business partner in China or not?
Best Regards,
Jim
General Manager
Shanghai Office (Head Office)
3008, Jiulong Building, No. 836 Nandan Road,
Xuhui District, Shanghai 200070, China
Tel: +86 216191 8696
Mobile: +86 1870199 4951
Fax: +86 216191 8697
Web: www.cn-registry.org.cn'


I also got this follow up email:

'Dear Sirs,
Our company based in chinese office, our company has submitted the " hair***** " as CN/ASIA(.asia/.cn/.com.cn/.net.cn/.org.cn) domain name and Internet Keyword, we are waiting for Mr. Jim's approval. We think this name is very important for our products in Chinese and Asia market. Even though Mr. Jim advises us to change another name, we will persist in this name.
Best regards
Jiang zhihai'

July 2, 2015 at 11:37 | Unregistered CommenterPeter Robinson

Hi

Jim and Co are still sending messages. Now they're saying I should buy all the domains the other company apparently want. LOL.

So I made up another email address and sent them this. It's a joke on my part. LOL. Two can play that game.

'$18 Million Dollar Lawsuit
Friday, 3 July, 2015 14:43 Mark as Unread

From:
"**********" <**********@******.com>
To:
"Jim" <jim.ying@cn-registry.org.cn>
Full Headers Printable View
Dear Jim

Following your emails, we have been instructed by the owner of **********.com to file a $18 million dollar lawsuit against the company wanting to seize trading rights of the ********** name.

We also fully intend to issue a $10 million dollar lawsuit against yourself and Cn-Registry.Org.Cn

We are in the process of flying out our representatives to China. The cost of these flights will be incorporated into the lawsuits.

So you are hereby given notice that from July 3rd, 2015, legal papers relating to the above lawsuits will be filed at the Central Office in London, UK.

If you would like to settle this out of court, we may consider this, but our clients will not consider nothing under a $2 million dollar settlement.

Yours sincerely,


S.R. Jameson RDS.VRB

**************** Solicitors,
==========
London,
==========
United Kingdom'

July 4, 2015 at 10:34 | Unregistered CommenterPeter Robinson

Same here. I got an email from huake ltd. Thank you for your share, you just saved me !!

August 9, 2015 at 16:34 | Unregistered CommenterBilly

received 2 of these emails - glad I googled and found this site!

(This is a very important case, so please transfer this email to your CEO or appropriate person. Thanks a lot.)
Dear CEO/Principal,
We are the department of Asian Domain Registration Service in China. Here I have something to confirm with you. We formally received an application on August 10, 2015 that a company claimed "****** Train Company" were applying to register "*********" as their Net Brand and some ****************" Asian countries top-level domain names through our firm.
Now we are handling this registration, and after our initial checking, we found the name were similar to your company's.Since now the cyber-squatting events and domain name abuse are very serious, in order to avoid such incidents cause unnecessary loss of benefits to your company.so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays, so that we could handle this issue better. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for "TanLen Train Company" Looking forward to your prompt reply.
Best Regards,
Tina Xu
Senior Consultant Manager
www.nsgsl.org
No8-8018, Peace Building, Jinghu District, Wuhu City, China

August 10, 2015 at 9:02 | Unregistered CommenterClaire

Thank you Alan for this topic. Still receiving offers in 2015....

Dear Sir/Madam,

About the "*****". We are the department of Asian Domain Registration Service in China. Here I have something to confirm with you. We formally received an application on August 25th, 2015 that a company claimed "TangHan Leng Co" were applying to register "*****" as their Net Brand and some "*****" Asian countries top-level domain names through our firm.

Now we are handling this registration, and after our initial checking, we found the name were similar to your company's, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. Since now the cyber-squatting events and domain name abuse are very serious, in order to avoid such incidents cause unnecessary loss of benefits to your company. So we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays, so that we could handle this issue better. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for "TangHan Leng Co" Looking forward to your prompt reply.

(It's very urgent, so please transfer this email to your CEO or appropriate person. Thanks a lot.)

Best Regards,
Bob Wong
Senior Consultant Manager

August 29, 2015 at 4:24 | Unregistered CommenterPatrick
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